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Post by leahamm on Sept 17, 2016 22:39:39 GMT -5
Did anyone save the "CLBB Cyber Cookbook" that was available for free download 1-2 years ago?
Quote: "Section 1 is breakfast mostly yummies like muffins and sweet bread things; Section 2 is "starters; Section 3 is sides/soups/salads; Section 4 is main course. Section 5 is desserts."
It IS the same as the one that a few members downloaded in 2004.
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Post by oceanjasper on Sept 17, 2016 23:47:04 GMT -5
I ended up printing it out and putting it into a binder. I would have definitely saved the files, but I suspect it might be on a laptop that has since packed it in. I'll have a look once I get home tomorrow and see what I can find.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 6:28:16 GMT -5
I don't see a way to attach a document. I have them in PDF format and could attach them here if that is possible.
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Post by Admin-BevE on Sept 18, 2016 6:50:59 GMT -5
Attaching a whole cookbook (or pages) here would be "publishing" that cookbook and I fear that could be a copyright violation unless you have written evidence that the cookbook was released to the public domain. Please don't post any pdf's on this forum as that would put us in jeopardy in that way on this forum. Thanks. (EDITED to rephrase)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2016 6:59:45 GMT -5
BevE, I have done nothing of the sort, re; putting anyone in jeopardy. I only asked if there is a way to attach documents. If there isn't, that's fine. However, there was a request made if anyone has the docs. I have them. If anyone wants them I'll be happy to provide them.
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Post by leahamm on Sept 18, 2016 7:31:34 GMT -5
Attaching a whole cookbook (or pages) here would be "publishing" that cookbook and I fear that could be a copyright violation unless you have written evidence that the cookbook was released to the public domain. Please don't post any pdf's on this forum as that would put us in jeopardy in that way on this forum. Thanks. (EDITED to rephrase) Could it be done the way you did it in the "Admin-are-testing" thread? (By, properly, attributing the - "Source".) Also see: community.cookinglight.com/showthread.php?168860-Copyrighting-Recipes-Two-sources&highlight=copyrightAnother, originally from a CL post - 07-21-2007, 01:05 PM #29 jmg Join DateSep 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts 49 "from a Google search: The Law of Recipes - Copyright & Patent Information . By Eugene R. Quinn, Jr. 'Every week I get a handful of questions about whether recipes are copyrighted or copyrightable, and whether a recipe can be patented. This page is intended to shed some light on these common questions. Are recipes copyrightable? First, mere listings of ingredients as in recipes, formulas, compounds or prescriptions are not subject to copyright protection. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a combination of recipes, as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection. It is worth spending a moment to discuss what is meant by "substantial literary expression." In copyright law there is a prohibition against protecting even original expression if there is only a limited number of ways to convey said expression. The best example I can give is from an actual case where the creator of a mail in sweepstakes claimed copyright infringement because someone uses substantially the same language in their mail in sweepstakes rules. The court found that there is only a limited number of ways to say "send your name, address and telephone number to..." You could alter this to say "in order to enter send to .... your name, address and telephone number." There does not need to be exact identity for copyright infringement, all that is required is substantial similarity. If the former is copyrighted then the later would infringe under this substantial similarity test. Therefore, there is a prohibition against protection when there is only a limited number of ways to express an idea. This is referred to as idea/expression merger. This has significant impact for recipes as well. Simply listing generic steps or directions cannot, in my opinion, be protected. So a recipe that lists the ingredients and then says "mix together, pour into pan, put into oven at 350" seems to me to lack "substantial literary expression." Of course, the more originality that is infused the more likely some copyright protection will exist, but taking the component pieces of a recipe is no violation. It is also worth spending a moment to discuss copyright protection for compilations. While you could copy a recipe from a book, copying the entire book would violate the copyright in the book, which is a compilation. Protection under the copyright law extends only to "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a tangible form (a copy). "Original" means merely that the author produced the work by his own intellectual effort, as distinguished from copying an existing work. Important for our discussion here is an understanding that the originality requirement is very low indeed. It is enough originality to take unprotected component pieces and arrange them in an original fashion. The book itself would be entitled to an arrangement copyright but the component pieces would not be protected. Therefore, you could copy a recipe but not copy and republish the entire book. The book is what would be protected, not the individual component pieces.'"
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Post by Admin-BevE on Sept 18, 2016 18:04:00 GMT -5
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Post by Catbatty on Sept 18, 2016 20:15:08 GMT -5
I think Cooking Light has always looked the other way when we've done stuff that outside that forum would be questionable. I've al theways been amazed by the liberties that let us take. Surprise then, to come here and find more strict rules. But WE have to be so careful here. We stand between several big entities each with Terms to abide by. Edited to add: and each of them or all, own what is on their bulletin boards. As I understand it--we do NOT own. They do. So, in order to keep this forum (and not be booted off) we are trying to do best we can regarding copying stuff NONE of us own. We turned over our rights to CLBB for much of it. And other places, OTHER folks own rights. So, when we REPOST things here, what we ask is rather hairy...but hairy is the law and those TERMS. Not our fault. What we think is that we can repost here stuff that was at CLBB. HOWEVER, we have to make sure that it's OUR post...and not same exact...not date same, etc. AND if there are follow-ups over there at CLBB, we need to NOT copy them all but rather, copy paste them into the bottom of the recipe that they refer to. Complicated? Yep. But you all are doing SO DARNED GOOD AT IT...that you have made ME so proud. I (and Bev) both SEE that you are all really trying to do what will keep us as spotless and legal as we can be. We appreciate it...and if I could get my hands on you, I'd kiss you!! Have I said too much? Yes. So, we have policies in place and we hope those who are confused by all this change, will read everything in the Announcements and follow them to the best of your abilities. IF moderators think something needs to be changed or fixed, we'll contact you. Just please, don't get mad at us. We are trying to make a new place in a new online world...to and for all of us. We are your friends, fellow foodies...and if we don't do it right and it all goes to smitherings, life will go on. We can't know all and be all. All we can do is set policies and present ourselves to the world as honest people who are trying to do our best. Nobody has anything to gain other than love of recipes and being together. NOTHING is for sale here. NOTHING is harvested here. This is just a new home for us and we hope OTHER people will happily come join us, too. (Recipe friends from everywhere.) If it's a policy here, we will abide with it. That's the plan...even if it's a new way of doing things for many of us. PS: I would like to move anything that isn't directly FOOD outta the Food section and into Other Topics. So expect to see things moved. I'm gonna do it. That way, folks coming here for recipes or food stuff, will not have to wade through policy discussions.
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