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Post by neptune on Feb 15, 2018 20:46:41 GMT -5
I recently ordered some kirsch (pronounced KEERSH), which is a cherry liqueur that's usually made in Germany. I wanted it purposely for flambéing. I've always read that unless your alcohol is at least 80 proof (40% alcohol), it won't ignite. So, when I ordered the kirsch, I looked for that specifically. But apparently I made a mistake, and it turns out that the kirsch I got is only 56 proof (28% alcohol). I was pretty bummed, because the bottle itself cost $30, and shipping was over $20. I thought, "There's no way this will ever ignite." However, I didn't really feel like sending it back either. So, I simply did an experiment. I decided to sauté some diced apple in butter. Then at the very end, I added some of the kirsch, and tried to see if it would ignite. WHOOSH!!!! It sure did. Over the next couple of days, I ended up trying the experiment 3 more times, and each time the kirsch ignited without any problem. Anyway, the conventional wisdom that alcohol must be at least 80 proof before it will ignite is clearly wrong—unless the label on the bottle of my kirsch is incorrect, which is highly unlikely. So, the alcohol content can be as low as 56 proof and it will still ignite easily (and even lower proofs would probably work too). Incidentally, my experiment of sautéed apples in kirsch was quite easy and tasty, so if you've never tried flambéing before, that would be a good place to start. I guess the lesson here is that one shouldn't be afraid to test conventional wisdom about various aspects of cooking, because much of what we've been told over the years may not be entirely correct.
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Post by wallycat on Feb 16, 2018 0:31:56 GMT -5
I'm glad you were successful. OUCH on the $20 shipping. I'm curious where you ordered from... I was unaware there was a proof requirement for flambe/lighting so this has been very interesting to see how it played out. Thanks for sharing your success.
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Post by swedishcook on Feb 16, 2018 18:38:12 GMT -5
Congratulations on your successful experiment!
Did you perhaps purchase top rated Schladerer Edelkirsch, a liqueur? It is based on Kirschwasser (translated: cherry water), cherry flavored schnapps - 40%.
I've never tried my hand at flambéing, but apples with kirsch sounds delicious.
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Post by neptune on Feb 19, 2018 0:53:11 GMT -5
I'm glad you were successful. Thanks, wallycat. Here's a link. I've ordered from this place before too—they seem decent. I did order some rum too, but I suspect a second item didn't add that much to the shipping. The reason I ordered over the Web is that the nearest liquor store is probably at least 30 minutes away from where I live. It just wasn't worth the trouble to make a special trip to me. www.liquorama.net/schladerer-schwarzwalder-edelkirsch-black-forest-cherry-liqueur-750ml.htmlWell, wines and beer will never ignite, from what I've heard. And many liqueurs won't either, since they're often as low as 15% alcohol. But once you go above that percentage, I guess it's a gray area. At least for a novice like me. Thanks for reading. Also, if you were making a published recipe and decided to substitute the lower-alcohol kirsch that I bought, I suspect you'd have to use more of it to get a flame than the standard amount the recipe specifies. When I did my experiment, there was little liquid in the pan (only melted butter), so that makes it a lot easier to ignite. Apparently the more liquid you have in the pan already, the more alcohol you'll need, I guess because it dilutes the alcohol.
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Post by neptune on Feb 19, 2018 1:05:57 GMT -5
Congratulations on your successful experiment! Thanks, swedishcook. I'm so glad I didn't spend all that money for nothing. Yes, please see the link I posted above. Apparently they must have different varieties within that brand, though. I meant to order the one you're describing, but this one's only 28% alcohol (please ignore the product description below the item, which is incorrect). I'm just curious—do you normally buy this type of kirsch, and if so, what do you make with it? Until a few months ago, I was too afraid to try any kind of flambéing, but with a little practice, I'm at least not terrified anymore. Yes, the apples with kirsch turned out surprisingly good. Of course, flambéing can be dangerous, so you need to follow a lot of basic safety tips. But as long as you're careful, I think it's worth a try. One tip is to use a shallow pan with flared sides, like a frying pan or sauté pan. I have been unsuccessful using a saucepan. And never pour directly from the alcohol bottle. You always want to measure the alcohol into another container first, and then pour the alcohol into the pan with the heat already turned off—or just do it off the burner entirely. And you never want the exhaust fan on either, which apparently can draw in the flames. Here's an article that offers some helpful information: cookingmadly.com/technique-flambe/Anyway, so far my attempts at flambéing have proved mostly fun—hope it stays that way.
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Post by swedishcook on Feb 23, 2018 22:04:20 GMT -5
Sorry for late reply. Thanks for the link. I have a bottle of the schnapps variety. It's mainly used for cheese fondue. A tablespoon or two are also added to the batter for dessert crepes.
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Post by neptune on Feb 24, 2018 3:04:54 GMT -5
Sorry for late reply. Thanks for the link. Oh, no problem. It's not like I visit this board that regularly myself. That sounds interesting. Fondue is one thing I don't recall ever making. I recently found another article on flambéing that's the most informative yet: theintrepidgourmet.wordpress.com/2017/12/21/how-to-flambeI have some updates to the experiment too. In an empty pan, I tried to ignite some crème de cassis (which is only about 15% alcohol) and some pink moscato, a dessert wine that's supposed to be less than 10% alcohol. I actually did get the crème de cassis to ignite, but only for a few seconds. What's more, I even got the wine to ignite—for about half a second. So, the lower the percentage of alcohol, the shorter it burns (if at all). Of course, they say you shouldn't try this with an empty pan like I did, but I was just curious to see if these two alcohols would actually ignite (all the info on the Web says that they will not), and it's interesting to see that they did, even if not for long. A couple of days ago, I tried Paula Deen's cherries jubilee: www.pauladeen.com/recipe/paulas-cherries-jubilee/Here's the first ingredient: 1 (16 oz) can pitted (fresh or frozen) cherries. A bit strange, huh? Anyway, I made her recipe using frozen cherries, but unfortunately I just couldn't get it to ignite. Eventually I figured out why—the frozen cherries had too much liquid, which diluted the alcohol. I suspect Paula Deen didn't test her recipe very well. Well, yesterday I experimented to come up with a simplified version of cherries jubilee for just one serving, and guess what—it ignited! Not only that, it was delicious. If anyone wants to try this, here are the directions: Easy Cherries Jubilee for One 1. Thaw 2 oz. (about 1/3 cup heaping) of frozen cherries, saving the juice. 2. Measure about 1 Tbsp. of kirsch (80 proof) into a small container (I used about 1 1/2 Tbsp., since my kirsch is only 56 proof). 3. In an 8-inch frying pan, melt 1 Tbsp. butter. 4. Add cherries and juice, and cook over medium heat until a lot of the liquid has evaporated and mixture is fairly thick (about 5 1/2 minutes on my stove). 5. Turn off burner, and wait about 40 seconds. (Make sure your exhaust fan is not on.) 6. Light a long fireplace match. 7. Pour kirsch into pan, and wait a few seconds for vapors to rise. 8. Place lit match at side of pan, and ignite vapors carefully (waving match as necessary). 9. Once flame appears, shake pan gently to get the contents to burn evenly. The flame should last around 15 seconds. (Have a large metal lid nearby to smother flame in case it gets out of hand.) That's it—simple and easy! And even though I left out the sugar, the cherries jubilee still tasted plenty sweet to me. So, if you want to try flambéing, this is about the easiest possible way to start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2018 1:18:39 GMT -5
Congratulations on your successful experiment! Thanks for sharing your success.
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Post by neptune on Apr 12, 2018 1:49:03 GMT -5
Congratulations on your successful experiment! Thanks for sharing your success. Thanks. Oh, no problem, juliennetogo! Glad if I've what I said has been of any help. Since I last posted on this thread, I've done a lot more experiments. In fact, I've even flambéed a fried egg! LOL. And I've already used up about 75% of my bottle of kirsch. Anyway, I would encourage others to try their hand at this if they're so inclined. It's actually a lot of fun. The key is to start small. Make only 1 serving and add just a little bit of alcohol. The Easy Cherries Jubilee above is a great, simple way to start. The more you do it, the more you can go by "feel." You don't want the pan too hot or too cold, too full or too empty. And you definitely don't want too much liquid in it. I really think it's best to start with a friend at first. And always have a fire extinguisher nearby. If you have a friend with you, they can easily help you put out a small fire should things get out of control. It's also less scary when someone is next to you.
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